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    A hard choice-- bankruptcy or sheriff's sale of inherited real estate property

    Here is a question that one of my relatives recently asked me:

    "Is it better to file Chapter 7 BK or just wait for the judgment creditor to exercise their lien by forcing a sheriff's sale of recently inherited real estate property?"

    I told her to file Chapter 7 BK because at least the BK court would try to get as much money as possible from the sale of the real estate property, and she would at least get the homestead exemption amount, and maybe a little bit more than that. The sheriff's sale, on the other hand, would sell the property to the highest bidder which would be a very low amount, and barely pay off the judgment creditor.

    Was I wrong to say that?

    What would you do in this situation?

    Here are the details of what happened to my Aunt. She is currently 82 years old. About 7 years ago her husband died, leaving her with a lot of bills that she couldn't afford to pay on her fixed income from Social Security. She was living in a senior apartment provided by a state and federal program due to the fact that she was indigent. She was judgment proof at that time because she had no non-exempt assets to take and no non-exempt wages to garnish. After many threatening phone calls and letters, a junk debt buyer called Unifund finally filed a lawsuit against her, and won a judgment against her for over $15,000. They have been unable to do anything with their judgment until recently. The other creditors are still sending letters and making threatening phone calls to her.

    Her total outstanding debt from various credit cards is over $34,000.

    Her income from Social Security is less than $800 per month.

    Then the unthinkable happened. Her son died from a heart attack, leaving a cabin in the town of Show Low to her in his will. According to property tax records (which are always low) the equity in the cabin is over $175,000. Therefore, she is no longer judgment proof.

    Unifund somehow found out about this and moved in for the kill. They put a lien on the property through the county recorder's office and are threatening to have a sheriff's sale of the property to pay off the judgment. Things are moving very fast on this. Too fast for her to keep up with all that is going on.

    I thought that maybe the automatic stay offered by the bankruptcy court would give her some time to catch up on what is happening, and get rid of all of her creditors instead of just one of them (Unifund), and maybe give her a little bit of money from the homestead exemption-- about $150,000!

    One of her friends told her to just sell the cabin, but real estate in that area is not selling very fast right now, and time is of the essence in this matter.
    Last edited by GoingDown; 04-07-2007, 09:27 AM.
    The world's simplest C & D Letter:
    "I demand that you cease and desist from any communication with me."
    Notice that I never actually mention or acknowledge the debt in my letter.

    #2
    wow - a lot going on

    Okay I may be totally wrong here, but a creditor/collection agency cannot foreclose on your house or force a sherriffs sale. Isn't a lien just there for when you sell the home, then they get their money?

    Second of all, is this cabin paid off, or is there a mortgage on it? If it is paid off, I would have her sell it and pay her creditors and move on. I don't think there is any need for bankruptcy (correct me if I am wrong anyone?).

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      #3
      Whether or not the Unifund can force a sale depends on the State Law about Judgements and Liens. Maybe they can in whatever State the property is located in. If not, then the threats are a bluff to get your Aunt moving to pay.

      I agree tho. If property in the area isn't selling well right now, and considering your Aunt's advanced years, BK may be the best route. As you said, she will get rid of all of her Creditors, and at the very least, she'll get the Homestead Exemption monies.

      Plus, Unifund won't dare go up against a BK Trustee if it takes a while to sell the property. Kind of gives Aunt a built in attny and protection without paying big bucks for it. If Unifund wants to Tango with the Federal Gov't, they really need their heads examined.
      Filed Ch 7 - 09/06
      Discharged - 12/2006
      Officially Declared No Asset - 03/2007
      Closed - 04/2007

      I am not an attorney. My comments are based on personal experience and research. Always consult an attorney in your area to address concerns related to your particular situation.

      Another good thing about being poor is that when you are seventy your children will not have declared you legally insane in order to gain control of your estate. - Woody Allen...

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        #4
        You need to get your relative to a lawyer.
        If she's not living in the cabin, she may not be able to protect the equity. Also, if she is still living in a subsudized apt while owning a asset worth $175K, she may well need to reimburse the gov't.

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          #5
          Originally posted by keepmine View Post
          You need to get your relative to a lawyer.
          If she's not living in the cabin, she may not be able to protect the equity. Also, if she is still living in a subsudized apt while owning a asset worth $175K, she may well need to reimburse the gov't.
          http://doney.net/code/ars33-1101.htm

          You're really gonna need to get an attny to clarify if, indeed, Aunt can claim a Homestead Exemption on the inherited property and remain living in her current housing situation.
          Filed Ch 7 - 09/06
          Discharged - 12/2006
          Officially Declared No Asset - 03/2007
          Closed - 04/2007

          I am not an attorney. My comments are based on personal experience and research. Always consult an attorney in your area to address concerns related to your particular situation.

          Another good thing about being poor is that when you are seventy your children will not have declared you legally insane in order to gain control of your estate. - Woody Allen...

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            #6
            Would it be possible for family members to pass the hat and retire this debt in exchange for her leaving them the property upon her death?
            This would be the easy way to solve the problem.

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              #7
              To clarify things a bit...

              She currently lives in the inherited cabin which is located in Show Low, Arizona.

              The cabin was paid off entirely before her son died, so other than the new lien from the judgment creditor Unifund, it is free and clear.

              Passing the hat to pay off all of her debts would be nice, but we are all financially strapped right now and can't afford to do that. The most we could do for her would be to let her move in with one of us until she can find another affordable place to live.

              And I agree with Sinking Fast that the protections offered by the bankruptcy court would help to keep the judgment creditor from taking advantage of her. At least she would get a decent price out of the cabin and the money would be exempt from creditors, allowing her to buy an affordable condominium or something like that. The cabin and the surrounding land are too much for her to take care of with her advanced age. It requires too much upkeep for her.

              I will definitely take her to see an attorney to discuss this situation next week to make sure that she does what is best for her.

              Oh one last question...

              How does inheriting $175,000 in equity effect her ability to qualify for chapter 7 with the means test?
              The world's simplest C & D Letter:
              "I demand that you cease and desist from any communication with me."
              Notice that I never actually mention or acknowledge the debt in my letter.

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                #8
                The equity is an asset-not income. Won't have any affect on the means test. If she inherited it within 180 days of filing bk, it's the property of her bk estate.

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                  #9
                  Question
                  What are the rules regarding bankruptcy and inheritance

                  Answer
                  The timing of an inheritance is the issue. If the person passed away prior to the bankruptcy filing, the inheritance is part of the bankruptcy estate. The filer would need to use their exemptions to protect it. It may be possible to use the 'wildcard' of $4000 in Illinois, and possibly one of the several insurance exemptions available if some of the inheritance was life insurance.

                  Now, if the inheritance comes after the bankruptcy is filed, it may have to be disclosed to the trustee in your case for a period of time after case is over, even if you are already discharged. Check with your lawyer for exact time frames involved. Now, if you are doing a chapter 13, you can design your case to protect 100% of the inheritance so you wouldn't need to worry. However, you would be paying back enough of your debt to protect that asset.

                  http://en.allexperts.com/q/Bankruptc...nheritance.htm

                  So far as I know, all the Court looks at is Earned Income. I know for sure SSI is Exempt. But you'll wanna ask an attny just to be sure.
                  Filed Ch 7 - 09/06
                  Discharged - 12/2006
                  Officially Declared No Asset - 03/2007
                  Closed - 04/2007

                  I am not an attorney. My comments are based on personal experience and research. Always consult an attorney in your area to address concerns related to your particular situation.

                  Another good thing about being poor is that when you are seventy your children will not have declared you legally insane in order to gain control of your estate. - Woody Allen...

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