Political Discussion

[musicbum]

Yeah, that's what turned me off with Ron Paul. If he is such a free thinker, why on Earth is he bound himself to the Republican Party?

[IBroke]

I have NO sympathies for a country starting a war with another one for this reason. If one country that has atomic bombs wants to attack the other country that MIGHT be aiming at having the same weapon, I don't see how this war would be legitimate.

I would even go that far and say that an Iran with an Atomic Bomb would stabilize the region. It is never a good thing if one powerful nation can attack the other one without having to think about the consequences. Just look at the United States and Russia. Both had the bomb and that probably prevented a war.

And no, Iran wouldn't use the bomb to attack Israel because they are aware of the consequences.

Basically, what I said before was just stated by Ron Paul on CNN. This guy is indeed the best candidate the GOP has. Unfortunately, he is in the wrong party to actually have any chance of being elected.

[IBroke]

I'd rather invade Saudi Arabia. They have even more oil and and aren't a democracy either...actually, far from that.

As with Obama giving his OK for war:

I have my doubts that it would be a wise move to launch a war prior to the election. Gas prices will sky-rocket right away. Any positive effect will take years. So I can't see a reason why a war would help Obama in any way. Once elected, he will be on his final term anyway.

[banca rotta]

IBroke, Goingdown called it with us protecting oil shipping lanes. Israel won't attack without permission from Obama who won't attack until the banking cartel gives him the go ahead and they probably will.

I don't want a war (which btw is why we need Ron Paul!), but we may have one like it or not. One reason is the US and European economies are still in free fall (despite the B.L.S job numbers yesterday), so we need to divert attention from the political leader's failures.

The other reason is the US reached it's peak of production of oil in the early 70's and while we won't know for sure until after the fact, the world maybe at it's peak in oil production. If this is true gas, oil and food will rise so high people will starve and freeze to death.

Obama can't have that on his watch anymore then Bush could, so they will most likely invade Iran to take their oil and blame it on the tensions between Israel and Iran's nuke capabilities.


These two maps pretty much speak for themselves and will explain why we will probably be at war with Iran.


We are surrounding Iran as you can see:

[IBroke]

Israel is probably going to attack them, and we are going to be dragged into it to protect the Straits of Hormuz for the oil shipping lanes..

If Israel is going to attack, I'm supporting Iran and share the opinion that we should stay out of this mess. I can understand that some people think that we are obligated to protect Israel (btw, why?) - but if they start a war on their own, they should take full responsibility for it.

I have NO sympathies for a country starting a war with another one for this reason. If one country that has atomic bombs wants to attack the other country that MIGHT be aiming at having the same weapon, I don't see how this war would be legitimate.

I would even go that far and say that an Iran with an Atomic Bomb would stabilize the region. It is never a good thing if one powerful nation can attack the other one without having to think about the consequences. Just look at the United States and Russia. Both had the bomb and that probably prevented a war.

And no, Iran wouldn't use the bomb to attack Israel because they are aware of the consequences.

[IBroke]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...ng_to_him.html


Imagine dealing with financial hardship for 3 years having a discussion with the annointed one who has no idea what he's talking about?

Haha..you see, Obama is "interested" - Mitt Romney isn't "concerned about the poor" in the first place. In his opinion, the "very poor" aren't even American. Listen closely.

And if I would be a true conservative, this interview would be an eye-opener as well. If the GOP-candidate wants to "fix" the "safety-net" for the poor, the GOP is in big trouble. Or not, since we all know that he's lying because his program CUTS this safety-net even further. And in addition to that, believing that 90-95% of Americans are "Middle-Class" tells me how far away from reality he is. It's far less than that. And guess wat happens to those who fall out of the Middle-Class...I give you a hint: The majority of them don't get super-rich.

This guy can be President of Dreamland - but he has no chance against Obama.

And BTW, the endorsement of Trump one day after this verbal blackout was a boost for Obama..

[GoingDown]

Does anybody else feel the winds of war blowing right now?

I feel we are on the edge of a huge war with Iran coming in a few months.

Israel is probably going to attack them, and we are going to be dragged into it to protect the Straits of Hormuz for the oil shipping lanes.

This is going to be a much bigger war than Iraq or Afghanistan, and it may become a huge regional war drawing in other countries, and eventually even leading to a world war.

I hope I'm wrong about it. But it just seems like that's where we are headed.

I am stocking up on rice, beans, dried milk powder, peanut butter, bottled water, canned food, etc. Just in case.

My family has a vacation home in a mountain town called Eagar, Arizona. It is up at about 7000 feet in elevation, so I wouldn't need electricity during the summer months for air conditioning since it never gets hot, and it's about 5 hours from any major city so it would be unlikely to get attacked. I've even thought about temporarily relocating up there for awhile, until all of this blows over.

[IBroke]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...ng_to_him.html


Imagine dealing with financial hardship for 3 years having a discussion with the annointed one who has no idea what he's talking about?

Newt would have a job for that guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC9oQ...eature=related

[banca rotta]

Obama Tells Woman: "Interesting" Unemployed Husband Can't Find Job

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/01/30/obama_tells_woman_her_husband_shouldnt_be_unemployed_according_to_him.html

Imagine dealing with financial hardship for 3 years having a discussion with the annointed one who has no idea what he's talking about?

[pookiebear]

I will vote for Paul if given the chance. We need a new direction. If people would WAKE UP, and see whats going on around them instead of going with the flock...We need to get as excited about "real" world issues as we do "common sports games". The rest complain but take no action to change anything. I am worried indeed. -JMHO

[IBroke]

Let's just agree to disagree because we've taken this thread waaaaaaaaaay off its original course...I did enjoy it, though...

Agreed!

And I enjoyed it, too. There is nothing better than a healthy discussion.

[shark66]

Not at all. There is always a "biggest problem" - no matter how great things are. I can assure you that Greece would be quite happy if the problem I described would be their biggest issue.

I agree.

And no, it isn't directly related to the "white plague" because there are (still) plenty of native Germans who lack the right qualification for certain high skill jobs.

I disagree...but what else is new...LOL.

Let's just agree to disagree because we've taken this thread waaaaaaaaaay off its original course...I did enjoy it, though...

Good luck to us all.

[IBroke]

Those people - mostly small business owners - are the source of the facts I'm basing my evaluation on...

Evaluating the economical condition of a country like Germany based on the opinion of a few small business owners is a bit far fetched. I can imagine that they still have some complaints and ideas about what could be done better - but that doesn't change the economical data from 2011 that clearly supports my POV:

- The German economy expanded faster than any other Group of 7 nation last year.

- Germany expanded by 3 percent last year from 2010, Canada, a little over 2 percent and the United States about 1.7 percent.

- German assets are considered the safest in the euro zone.

- Exports rose by 8.2 percent over 2010, while imports rose by 7.2 percent.

- Employment rose in 2011 to an all-time record, with an average of 41.1 million people at work — up 541,000 from a year earlier.

- The country’s jobless rate fell to 6.8 percent in December.

- The deficit was at 1 percent of G.D.P., far below the 3 percent reference value set by the Maastricht Treaty.

The first and last sentence in this paragraph contradict one another, if you seriously think about it.

Not at all. There is always a "biggest problem" - no matter how great things are. I can assure you that Greece would be quite happy if the problem I described would be their biggest issue. And no, it isn't directly related to the "white plague" because there are (still) plenty of native Germans who lack the right qualification for certain high skill jobs. The educational system needs an update.

[shark66]

I couldn't disagree more.
The "newcomers" have nothing to do with the higher taxes. You might have forgotten that Germany reunited and introducing the same standards was very, very expensive.

I most certainly haven't forgotten that fact. Between 1984 and 1993 I was in Germany a lot, all of which was business-related. Still have a lot of friends there, some of which I speak with on weekly basis. Those people - mostly small business owners - are the source of the facts I'm basing my evaluation on...

As of today, Germany is doing great. They still have an AAA-rating and they wont lose that any time soon. Unemployment is going down as well. As of today, the biggest problem of German employers aren't taxes - it's actually the lack of qualified workers to get all the work done which Germany - as of today - has plenty of.

The first and last sentence in this paragraph contradict one another, if you seriously think about it.

The last sentence (which I underlined) also proves my point about "the white plague" from a couple of posts ago...

Good luck to us all.

[IBroke]

No they're NOT. Ask anyone who runs a business over there: the taxes have been going up and up and up for the past 20 years, mostly because the newcomers come with entire tribes and hang themselves on this country's generous welfare system...

I couldn't disagree more.

I spent more than half my life in Germany. My mother is German, I have a German passport along my US-passport and I went to school in Germany for more than a decade. The "newcomers" have nothing to do with the higher taxes. You might have forgotten that Germany reunited and introducing the same standards was very, very expensive. That was the time when many jobs were lost and THAT was the time when Germany was in bad shape. And that was the time we decided to go back to my country of birth.

As of today, Germany is doing great. They still have an AAA-rating and they wont lose that any time soon. Unemployment is going down as well. As of today, the biggest problem of German employers aren't taxes - it's actually the lack of qualified workers to get all the work done which Germany - as of today - has plenty of.

It's actually quite simple: German not necessarily by birth, but by choice that is being shown by speaking the language and accepting the long-established social and cultural norms.

I agree that this is a problem in some areas. That's the downside of globalization.