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    Here's a fear based post about the economy from another forum...

    Does anyone else have an opinion about this? I don't like fear and being afraid. I feel that the powers that be (devil, evil ones, whatever) feed off of fear.

    Go to the ant, sluggard; consider her ways and be wise; who, having no guide, overseer, or ruler, provides her food in the summer and gathers her food in the harvest.

    Proverbs 21:5

    Please, anyone, I'm not saying the Bible is right, nor am I saying the post below is right. I'm not calling anyone a sluggard or foolish by the above quote either.

    I'm putting this out for thought.

    Fact is, the government lies about everything now. Everything. I've become so jaded that I automatically disbelieve everything I hear from official sources. Everything.

    This past week, US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulsen said there is nothing wrong with the dollar. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben (Whirlyben) Bernanke said there's nothing wrong with the banking system. US President George W. Bush said there's nothing wrong with the economy. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    Not only is something wrong with the dollar, the banking system and the economy, there almost literally is nothing right with any of them. Truth is, that whistling noise you hear is the air streaming past your ears as we all plummet into the deepest economic abyss every seen by mankind. Things seem normal only if you listen and believe the usual suspects. Look over the edge of the cart, folks. The onrushing Depression II will so redefine depressions that it may well co-opt the term "depression" altogether unto itself.

    I said 4 years ago:
    "The cycle we are in is non-interruptible, too. Even if they wanted to, the central bankers could not stave off what now has become inevitable, because they have exhausted the means of supporting the economic bubbles they created: lowering interest rates (already negative when inflation is factored in) and expanding the money supply (Herculean quantities were added in 2004 with no effect other than to maintain the status quo for a brief additional period - raining money down from helicopters would be the next step, but that would lead to hyperinflation just as surely as will interest rates already set to rise by demand of the world economy).

    "Record personal and corporate bankruptcies are occurring. Major auto companies, who really make their money financing the sale of their cars, and America's major federally-guaranteed mortgage lenders all are insolvent, though operating on cash flow for the time being. Their eventual bankruptcy now is a foregone conclusion. In the face of a real estate/mortgage bubble, America is experiencing record foreclosures by banks of their loans to American homeowners, ranchers and small businessmen. Bad though that already is, what it portends for the future is positively hair raising."

    Indeed.

    Keep in mind that I wrote those two paragraphs just as the housing boom was achieving liftoff. While I was cautioning others to cool it and step back, home prices were ratcheting up fast enough to entice others into becoming "flippers" of multiple houses, both new and old, even some not yet built. Some got out, but most did not and now are regretting at their leisure having bought in near or at the top, as they watch prices slide 20-50% per year in some areas. Too bad.

    ... and I'm Even More Right Now

    Sigh.

    These are the "good old days" to which you will refer in years to come. Right now. Today. Mark my words well.

    This morning brought notice of three banks in the American Southwest having been taken over by the FDIC. There are others, to be sure. The FDIC takes over banks during the night after the close of Friday business. There will be more ... lots more. For years, I have said the FDIC would become insolvent before this is over. Last week's IndyMac Bank failure, alone, absorbed ten percent of FDIC resources, don't forget.

    Of course, the FDIC will get bailed out, just as the Feds now have promised to bail out the two largest mortgage backers in the world: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    As I said, be very afraid. Word came out this past week that Mountain House, a premier supplier of long-term storage food, had its entire stock for the next two years bought up by some mysterious government agency. This is the second food-storage company in the past month to tell this tale. What does that tell you? They are making sure that they take care of themselves (using our tax and inflationed-away dollars, naturally). Once again, what is it that we all get?

    Four years ago, I naively believed that the FDIC, FNMA (aka Fannie Mae) and FHLMC (aka "Freddie Mac") all would be allowed to fail when they became bankrupt, with their stockholders and bondholders going bust. I never dreamed the Feds actually would simply print the money to keep them lurching through the night, zombie-like. Money that creates debt once it is printed - our debt. Night of the Living Debt, in other words.

    We unwittingly have enslaved our children and grandchildren to the massive debt we continue to allow the louts who run things to mount up in our name, but for their benefit.

    Wait until our little red wagon hits the bottom of the chasm into which we have been falling, some time during the next few months and, certainly, within the next couple of years.

    #2
    I believe it 100% and its what I have been trying to tell people on here. Good post but people are in denial or just refuse to believe this country is totalled screwed. The Great Experiment called The United States of America is going to collapse without one bullet fired on it. What did it......fiat currency. That is why Thomas Jefferson said that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. They kept Americans mislead with their media, kept them busy making them work longer hours with two incomes needed just to survive, kept them distracted with stupid tv shows, sports, and Hollywood, and kept them ignorant not properly educating the people about their rights and Constitution. So now the time is going to come for the Global Elite to show their winning hand and we all fold.
    "Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1788

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      #3
      I remember jokes about people laughing at the older folks who went through the Depression who used to keep money hidden in or under mattresses...not so funny anymore...

      This economy will eventually adjust and the recovery will be slow. Many things will change from it - the size of housing for one and you will see the house of the future become a multi-generational house, in which you have grandparents (maybe even great-grandparents), parents and children all living and working together to support/help one another, provide free child care, afford housing, transportation and energy in order to financially survive; Bulk stores will grow and more and more smaller business will go out of business as the Bulk Big Stores emerge. Hardware, Mom & Pop and small Specialty stores will not be able to survive in the coming years as the Big Bulk or Discount Stores pop up everywhere. Movie Theatres and high end entertainment could become a thing of the past as more people opt to stay home and realize you don't have to spend a fortune to have fun. I believe people will rediscover family and friends from all this which could return the lost respect that lacks in younger generations.

      The multi-generational housing I mention above was something my sister and I discussed years ago as something that will probably eventually occur in time due to rising costs of living and the ever continual depletion of the Earth's resources. It will become too expensive for one family to keep a huge McMansion and afford the energy costs, gas to commute and high price of food to survive.

      Just some thoughts...
      _________________________________________
      Filed 5 Year Chapter 13: April 2002
      Early Buy-Out: April 2006
      Discharge: August 2006

      "A credit card is a snake in your pocket"

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        #4
        What recession?

        sigh...........

        ep
        California Bankruptcy Central

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          #5
          Originally posted by epiphany View Post
          What recession?

          sigh...........

          ep

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            #6
            The person your quoting is actually probably telling the truth in some regards.

            I do believe ultimately the government will bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac even more than they have so far, even to the point of possibly assuming all of their debt etc, which will double the deficit.

            The FDIC requires less than 3% in assets for a member bank. So lets say its a small bank.100000 customers each averaging 2000 dollars in deposits. They'd need less than 6 million dollars to secure the 200 million dollars of deposits. The rest has been loaned out to other people. It is an incredibly poor system. The great danger is that we have to many jobs leaving the US, and to much debt. People will not be able to pay the debt back ultimately, the government cannot really afford to take on all that debt.

            We all need to wake up and demand less from our government before its to late. It's a time bomb waiting to happen.
            May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
            July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
            September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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              #7
              We should demand an honest government. Giving Iraqi people hospitals and medical care at our expense while neglecting our own people is terrible. Add to this the mantra our various governments chant in that Health Insurance can not be afforded but government employees can have it. If we can't afford health insurance, the first ones who should lose theirs is government employees.
              Golden Jubilee was a year-long celebration held every 50 years in which all bondmen were freed, mortgaged lands were restored to the original owners, and land was left fallow: Lev. 25:8-17

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                #8
                BigJohn the greatest problem for affordable health care in the United States is litigation. We have to limit the possible payouts for malpractice if we are ever to control health care costs in the United States.

                Money will not bring back people who are dead due to unforeseen complications in a surgery. The malpractice insurance that has to be carried by hospitals and doctors probably accounts for as much as 30% of the cost of health care in this nation. It is reasonable to attend to the man and provide reasonable compensation. However such compensation has to be limited by common sense. A man who who dies due to doctor/hospital error should not make his family an instant multimillionaire.
                May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
                July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
                September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by epiphany View Post
                  What recession?

                  sigh...........

                  ep
                  Wait, what? Are we in one now? Which one of the all-knowing economic analysts is running the calculator today..?
                  "You can never get enough of what you don't need to make you happy."
                  6/16/08: Attorney approached lenders to surrender old home
                  8/26/08: Met w/attorney RE: filing BK
                  9/29/08: Filing Chapter 7

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by bmrigs View Post
                    I believe it 100% and its what I have been trying to tell people on here. Good post but people are in denial or just refuse to believe this country is totalled screwed. The Great Experiment called The United States of America is going to collapse without one bullet fired on it. What did it......fiat currency. That is why Thomas Jefferson said that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. They kept Americans mislead with their media, kept them busy making them work longer hours with two incomes needed just to survive, kept them distracted with stupid tv shows, sports, and Hollywood, and kept them ignorant not properly educating the people about their rights and Constitution. So now the time is going to come for the Global Elite to show their winning hand and we all fold.
                    I'm in 100% agreement with your post ( just don't agree with you on your posts about Israel though- thats for another discussion!).. I'm curious bmrigs what our former country will be in 10-15 years?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Scott50 View Post
                      I'm in 100% agreement with your post ( just don't agree with you on your posts about Israel though- thats for another discussion!).. I'm curious bmrigs what our former country will be in 10-15 years?
                      We've had our jabs about Israel already so no need to go there I believe in 5 years this country will collapse economically. The govt will have to default on the Federal Deficit because it will no longer be able to even pay the interest on it. The dollar will collapse and so peoples savings and retirement accts will be worthless. There will be mayhem in the streets for a little while because of food shortages that will be deliberate. Martial law will be imposed while the standard of living gets worse. When people are exhausted of civil strife and insecurity they will surrender themselves to the idea of an American Union with a different currency, soveriegnless country, and a new govt that will dictate how they can travel, work, and live with absolutely no rights but privledges for being good citizens. This will go on for a couple of decades and then the Global Elite will create another crisis where the Unions of the world, i.e. American, European, African, Asian, will be condensed into a one world govt perhaps with a cashless society, a state sponsered religion of Humanism, and micro-chipped population. This is just my guess. Whats yours?
                      "Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1788

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by bmrigs View Post
                        We've had our jabs about Israel already so no need to go there I believe in 5 years this country will collapse economically. The govt will have to default on the Federal Deficit because it will no longer be able to even pay the interest on it. The dollar will collapse and so peoples savings and retirement accts will be worthless. There will be mayhem in the streets for a little while because of food shortages that will be deliberate. Martial law will be imposed while the standard of living gets worse. When people are exhausted of civil strife and insecurity they will surrender themselves to the idea of an American Union with a different currency, soveriegnless country, and a new govt that will dictate how they can travel, work, and live with absolutely no rights but privledges for being good citizens. This will go on for a couple of decades and then the Global Elite will create another crisis where the Unions of the world, i.e. American, European, African, Asian, will be condensed into a one world govt perhaps with a cashless society, a state sponsered religion of Humanism, and micro-chipped population. This is just my guess. Whats yours?
                        I think what has happened is people dont fully understand what can happen or wont even acknowledge what is really happening over the globe as if everything is just fine & dandy...that, & some people know things are real bad but don't know how it will ever be fixed so can't face possibilities. I mean, half of the globe already consists of everything you have said & it has all happened before many times though not entirely global, with exception of the human microchips that are lurking. I feel a lot of americans still have this idea that america is not part of globalization & perhaps that is the way politics in other lands have made the people feel as well?

                        Everything in your post is a reality & it sucks really bad.
                        I feel it is more of a matter of piecing all the links of each individual directly to the banks, which is not quite there yet but is there in most areas of what we do & what we are today, such as GPS, online banking etc. But the people have accepted the system with open arms without ever batting an eye.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by JRScott View Post
                          BigJohn the greatest problem for affordable health care in the United States is litigation. We have to limit the possible payouts for malpractice if we are ever to control health care costs in the United States.

                          Money will not bring back people who are dead due to unforeseen complications in a surgery. The malpractice insurance that has to be carried by hospitals and doctors probably accounts for as much as 30% of the cost of health care in this nation. It is reasonable to attend to the man and provide reasonable compensation. However such compensation has to be limited by common sense. A man who who dies due to doctor/hospital error should not make his family an instant multimillionaire.
                          If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by bmrigs View Post
                            We've had our jabs about Israel already so no need to go there I believe in 5 years this country will collapse economically. The govt will have to default on the Federal Deficit because it will no longer be able to even pay the interest on it. The dollar will collapse and so peoples savings and retirement accts will be worthless. There will be mayhem in the streets for a little while because of food shortages that will be deliberate. Martial law will be imposed while the standard of living gets worse. When people are exhausted of civil strife and insecurity they will surrender themselves to the idea of an American Union with a different currency, soveriegnless country, and a new govt that will dictate how they can travel, work, and live with absolutely no rights but privledges for being good citizens. This will go on for a couple of decades and then the Global Elite will create another crisis where the Unions of the world, i.e. American, European, African, Asian, will be condensed into a one world govt perhaps with a cashless society, a state sponsered religion of Humanism, and micro-chipped population. This is just my guess. Whats yours?
                            If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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                              #15
                              When I worked my career profession, I once went to a MasterCard Data System. Enclosed like a Fort Knox, with Helon Gas jets everywhere (sp) as a fire retardant. Mass banks of computers, and robot track rails for tape backups. In talking to the head operations manager, I asked what personal info do you keep and for what reason. The statement was: We are ordered to keep everything. To date we do not have to give it up to the government, but that will soon come. I can pull your SS number and get a profile of, what you eat, how much you drink, are you cheating on your wife, are you overspending, what your likes are and what your dislikes are. It is all mapped out. I also asked what would happen if this building were taken down by a disaster. His response was: Nothing would happen, we are mirrored with 20 other facilities like this one.

                              Big Brother has been here long before 1984. ‘Hub
                              If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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