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    Average home price $18,513 - Unemployment rate 21%

    The Great Depression has reached Detroit. The average price of a home is now $18,513 and unemployment has reached 21%, and it’s expected to get worse. Detroit is facing a crisis of epic proportions that officially puts Detroit statistically (and real term) on par with the great depression. Many readers of Tribble Ad Agency are advertising centric.. and due to the rash of layoffs within all Detroit Advertising firms has put the city on the map for the wrong reasons.

    It has become the center of all that is wrong with America… and nothing of what is right.

    For example, the crime rate has fallen…. because of lack of targets within the city. Meaning there is nothing left to steal. In fact, even the criminals don’t want to leave jail.

    Heard confirmed that some offenders, notably those without homes of their own, were now expressing reluctance to leave jail when their sentences were done.

    Home values have plummeted to levels not seen in 1/2 a century… and the 21% unemployment has in some cases been projected to double within 12 months if the auto industry totally collapses.

    To make matters even worse, Detroit has superseded New Orleans as the “worst city” in America…. but New Orleans had a Hurricane they could assign blame to… Detroit has no such natural disaster crutch.

    “It’s a depression — not a recession,” McDuell said, with the authority of someone who has lived through both. “It will get worse before it gets better.”

    It’s a man-made disaster.

    Regarding a local food bank in Detroit that has seen record numbers of individuals entering the system:

    “Many people are first-timers — they have no idea how to navigate the system, how to qualify for food stamps,” Wells said. “Last year, some were donors — now they’re clients.”

    In short, last year they donated money into the system… now they are feeding from it because they themselves are in hard financial times.

    Detroit needs a miracle, the chances of it showing a resurgence is slim to none in the current economic outlook.

    Average home price $18,513 - Unemployment rate 21%

    December 21, 2008
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    #2
    Detroit's woes go beyond auto industry
    'All of Detroit is not going to hell'; can city avoid drumbeat of doom?
    The Associated Press
    updated 6:56 p.m. CT, Sat., Dec. 20, 2008

    DETROIT - One measure of how tough times are in the Motor City: Some of the offenders in jail don't want to be released; some who do get out promptly re-offend to head back where there's heat, health care and three meals a day.

    "For the first time, I'm seeing guys make a conscious decision they'll be better off in prison than in the community, homeless and hungry," said Joseph Williams of New Creations Community Outreach, which assists ex-offenders. "In prison they've got three hots and a cot, so they commit a crime to go back in and come out when times are better."

    For now, better times seem distant. Even with no hurricane or other natural disaster to blame, Detroit has — by many measures — replaced New Orleans as America's most beleaguered city.

    The jobless rate has climbed past 21 percent, the embattled school district just fired its superintendent, tens of thousands of homes and stores are derelict and abandoned, the ex-mayor is in jail for a text-messaging sex scandal. Even the pro football team is a pathetic joke — the Lions are within two losses of an unprecedented 0-16 season.

    And overarching these and many other woes is the near-collapse of the U.S. auto industry, Detroit's vital source of jobs and status for more than a century.

    "We're the Motor City," said Scott Alan Davis, who oversees community development projects in one of the worst-hit neighborhoods. "When the basis for that name collapses, that's started to scare people."

    'It's a depression'
    Among the worried is 81-year-old Warlena McDuell, a retired surgical technician who shares a home with her cancer-stricken daughter. On a recent weekday, she was among hundreds of Detroiters, most of them elderly, filling orange-plastic grocery carts at a food bank run by Focus: HOPE, a local nonprofit.

    "It's a depression — not a recession," McDuell said, with the authority of someone who has lived through both. "It will get worse before it gets better."

    Behind her in line, stocking up on canned apple juice and fruit cocktail, was Benjamin Smith, 77, who once held jobs with Uniroyal and Chrysler. Maneuvering his cart slowly, one hand gripping a cane, he was unable to muster much cheer when someone extended holiday good wishes.

    "How are we going to do well?" he replied. "Everything's busted up."

    Focus:HOPE's food program serves 41,000 people a month; manager Frank Kubik estimates that's only half the number of Detroiters in need of the assistance.

    "It's not going to be a nice Christmas for a lot of folks," he said.

    DeWayne Wells, president of Gleaners Community Food Bank of Southeastern Michigan, said demand is up by 25 percent from a year ago in the region's food banks as auto-industry layoffs multiply.

    "Many people are first-timers — they have no idea how to navigate the system, how to qualify for food stamps," Wells said. "Last year, some were donors — now they're clients."

    City's bad wrap
    The roots of Detroit's current plight go back decades. Court-ordered school busing and the 12th Street riots of 1967 accelerated an exodus of whites to the suburbs, and many middle-class blacks followed, shrinking the city's population from a peak of 1.8 million in the 1950s to half that now.

    About 83 percent of the current population is African-American; of cities with more than 100,000 people, only Gary, Ind., had a higher percentage in the latest census.

    Detroit's crime, poverty, unemployment and school dropout rates are among the worst of any major U.S. city. The bus system is widely panned; car and home insurance rates are high. Chain grocery stores are absent, forcing many Detroiters to rely on high-priced corner stores.

    "There's always been a real can-do spirit among our people," said the Rev. Edgar Vann, pastor of Second Ebenezer Church. "That's being beaten down right now. ... These times, unlike others, have sapped a lot of that spirit from them."

    Vann, in addition to overseeing a 5,000-member megachurch, founded the Vanguard Community Development Corp., which under Scott Alan Davis' leadership is building scores of new homes and offering education programs in the blighted North End.


    One apartment complex, for the elderly, is rising barely a block from two grade schools recently abandoned by the city, and now sitting empty and ransacked.

    "It's death to the neighborhood," said Vann, some anger in his voice, as he gestured to homes that had been abandoned and vandalized since the schools closed.

    He worries that despair and frustration may take a toll as Detroiters see more manufacturing jobs vanish and get no short-term answer when they ask, "What next?"

    "Somebody needs to hear us before we begin to see a rise of social upheaval," Vann said. "I hate to say that. It's a God-forbid reality."


    Effort takes root
    For Mark Covington, as for many of his neighbors, there are two Detroits. One features swanky casinos, opulent hotels and two new sports stadiums, beckoning high rollers and deep-pocketed out-of-towners to a relatively vibrant downtown. Luxury condo developments are opening; an ambitious RiverWalk project is mostly completed.

    Then there's the vast Detroit of decaying neighborhoods, with weedy, trash-strewn lots and vacant, burned-out houses. Some areas, even close to downtown, have a rural look because so many lots are now empty.

    "It makes me want to leave," said Covington, 36. "But I figure, if I leave, who else is going to help? Who else is going to do it? People like me are what's going to turn Detroit around."

    With no job and plenty of time on his hands, Covington has spent the past year working on what he calls the Georgia Street Garden — three empty lots he and his friends have converted into an inner city farm east of downtown.

    Birth of urban gardens
    It's one of hundreds of urban vegetable gardens citywide that have taken root on land cleared after the razing of abandoned homes.

    Covington and his friends did what the city hadn't done: moved trash from the lots to the curbs. They planted tomatoes, collard greens, kale, cabbage, herbs, broccoli and other vegetables, as well as a few fruit trees.

    "During the time I was out here cleaning up, I thought it would be a good idea for a garden," he said. "Everybody uses this path to go up to the closest grocery store and the closest corner store. I figured if they gotta walk past here. ... maybe they'll pick some food instead of having to go up to the grocery store all of the time."

    A makeshift, wooden movie screen was erected last summer for outdoor film nights.

    "I'm seeing camaraderie around here I haven't seen since I was a little kid," Covington said. "It's actually starting to feel like a village again."

    He just wishes they had more help from city leaders.

    "I'm proud our downtown is coming back," Covington said. "They've put money into the downtown. We need a downtown. .... Everybody understands that. But what about the people that pay for it? I mean, we pay our taxes. We need city services. It's the crime and cleaning up."

    "I just don't understand how they, anybody in the city ... the mayor's administration, can ride through the neighborhoods and see the way it is and not want to do anything about it."


    For all its woes, Detroit has no shortage of residents offering to tackle them. There are 15 candidates for the Feb. 24 special mayoral election necessitated by the conviction of Kwame Kilpatrick for trying to cover up an affair with a former top aide.

    The winner of the special election only serves out Kilpatrick's unfinished term, and a regular mayoral election will be held in November, burdening the city with a year of political uncertainty and division as it grapples with staggering problems.

    "There are some good candidates — I've never seen a field as broad and deep," said Steve Tobocman, who represents a Detroit district in the state legislature. "That being said, I don't think there's a concrete vision on how to deal with the real challenges."

    Difficult days ahead
    Solely in terms of municipal government, the challenges are daunting. Mayor Ken Cockrell Jr. said Friday the city's deficit is approaching $300 million, and he ordered all departments to cut their budgets by 10 percent. The Detroit Public School District faces a deficit of more than $400 million, prompting the state to declare a financial emergency. The district's superintendent, Connie Calloway, was fired on Monday.

    Several dozen schools have been closed in the past three years, and civic leaders worry the system will be incapable of helping young Detroiters prepare for whatever new types of jobs might emerge down the road.

    "Most of the middle-class parents have disengaged, taken their kids out," said Vann. "We don't have the parent advocacy that's necessary to drive reform."

    The FBI's latest statistics, for 2007, show Detroit with the highest violent crime rate of any major city. Yet Jeriel Heard, chief of jails and court for Detroit's Wayne County, said jail conditions may deteriorate because of budget-related pressure to eliminate a quarter of the roughly 800 jail deputy positions.

    Heard confirmed that some offenders, notably those without homes of their own, were now expressing reluctance to leave jail when their sentences were done.

    He also reported that property crime in some Detroit neighborhoods had stabilized or declined because targets of opportunity were fewer now that most remaining residents are poor and many of the homes have been abandoned and cannibalized.

    Dramatic decline
    Trying to combat the blight, the city has applied for $47 million in federal neighborhood stabilization money, with half earmarked to tear down more than 2,300 vacant homes. About $8 million would be spent to rehabilitate vacant houses and $4 million to construct new houses.

    But this effort would make only a small dent. About 44,000 of the 67,000 homes that have gone into foreclosure since 2005 remain empty, and it costs about $10,000 to demolish each vacant house, according to Planning and Development Department director Doug Diggs.

    Overall, the residential real estate market is catastrophic, with the Detroit Board of Realtors now pegging the average price of a home in the city at $18,513. Some owners can't find buyers at any price.

    "If you no longer can sell your property, how can you move elsewhere?' said Robin Boyle a professor of urban planning at Wayne State University. "Some people just switch out the lights and leave — property values have gone so low, walking away is no longer such a difficult option."


    Challenging times
    Looking ahead, Detroit civic leaders express long-term optimism but acknowledge the shift away from a heavy-manufacturing economy will be painful.

    "Up until the '70s, you could come to the city without education, without speaking English, and get a job in the auto industry and instantly be in the middle class, economically speaking," said Mike Stewart, director of Wayne State's Walter P. Reuther Library and an expert on the auto industry.

    "A lot of folks in the city depended on these jobs for generations — they don't exist anymore," he said. "A lot of Detroiters are unprepared, educationally and technologically, to cope."

    Another fundamental problem is the gap between the city's circumstances and those in the surrounding region, which includes many relatively affluent, predominantly white suburbs.

    "The lack of support, the disparities with the rest of the region are greater than folks realize," said Tobocman, a Democrat who served as House majority floor leader. "I'm not sure the system can sustain itself."

    But he said the conversation on one option — greater regional sharing of local tax revenue — "is not a real active one."

    Mark Douglas, 41, is among the metro area's most successful African-American car dealers — he succeeded his father in 2005 as president of Avis Ford in Southfield, one of the suburbs bordering Detroit to the north.

    "Detroit has got to figure out a way to make people feel it's safe — if people don't want to live there, it's tough to develop any kind of tax base," Douglas said. "Whites have to move back in. You've got to have the integration factor. Everyone has to come together."

    Recession takes toll
    Though Avis Ford is faring better than some local competitors, the recession has taken a toll. It sold only 112 new vehicles in October, down from about 200 in October 2007.

    Douglas said the dealership is recouping some of the loss in new car sales by performing service work on older cars no longer covered by warranties.

    His father, Walter, 76, remains chairman of Avis Ford and serves as a trustee of many organizations, including the Detroit Symphony.

    "This has been the most difficult and challenging time in my recollection," he said.


    For some community leaders, the drumbeat of bad news seems like overkill.

    "All of Detroit is not going to hell — we've been hit unfairly," said the Rev. Wendell Anthony, president of Detroit branch of the NAACP. "Our best days are in front of us."

    Short-term, he said two crucially needed steps would be a moratorium on further home foreclosures and pressure on banks to make loans more available.

    Another civic leader, William F. Jones Jr., expressed concern that the inevitable auto industry retrenchment might force cutbacks in corporate support of local nonprofits.

    "Detroit is a very giving community, but it's hard to reach out beyond your capacity," said Jones, who recently retired as chief operating officer of Chrysler Financial and will become head of Focus:HOPE on Jan. 1

    "I hope the region is prepared to band together, because we're all in this together," he said. "We won't get through the tough times if we don't have a dream of what's ahead."

    'We hope for better things'
    Detroit's downtown abounds with symbols of past dreams — the still-gleaming round towers of the Renaissance Center of the '70s, Super Bowl XL venue Ford Field, the three hotel-casino resorts with their gaudy exterior lights and cavernous gaming rooms.

    Yet less than two miles from downtown stands the decaying, 18-story Michigan Central railroad station, built in 1913 and unoccupied for 20 years while developers shied way from the cost of restoring its Beaux-Arts grandeur. Along Grand River Avenue, a six-lane thoroughfare leading from downtown to the northwest, liquor stores and check-cashing outlets alternate with scores of abandoned commercial buildings, some boarded up, others just gutted shells.

    To the west, in the modest residential neighborhood of Brightmoor, there were five burnt-out houses on a single short block. The facade of one was daubed in red and blue graffiti — some obscene, some gang-related; the charred rubble inside included a battered toy truck.

    The scene brought to mind the city's motto, crafted by a Roman Catholic priest after a devastating fire in 1805: "We hope for better things; it will arise from the ashes."


    Motor City's woes extend beyond auto industry
    'All of Detroit is not going to hell'; can city avoid drumbeat of doom?

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      #3
      its starting to look like the french revolution all over again...

      refresh my memory, as it was a long time ago that i read the 2005 bk rules... doesnt the new rules exempt those who are in the upper income levels?
      "it looks like i picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue"! [McKroskey, airplane]

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        #4
        Maybe folks just need to move out of Detroit to better off parts of the country?

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          #5
          Strange how people will not abandon a sinking ship. The band continues to pay, while all the rich are in the life boats (moved away).

          Reminds me of a movie.
          Chapter 7 (No Asset/Non-Consumer) Filed (Pro Se) 7/08 (converted from Chapter 13 - 2/10)
          Status: (Auto) Discharged and Closed! 5/10
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          Any advice provided is not legal advice, but simply the musings of a fellow bankrupt.

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            #6
            Originally posted by allavdj View Post
            Maybe folks just need to move out of Detroit to better off parts of the country?
            Sometimes they can't, its just that simple.
            Very fortunate in the grand scheme of things but have learned my lesson.

            Filed 12/15/08, 341 1/12/09, Cont to 2/12/09, cont to 3/12/09, cont to 4/15/09, cont to 5/11/09, cont to 6/02/09. Discharged 9/16/09, Closed 10/23/09

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              #7
              Originally posted by justbroke View Post
              Strange how people will not abandon a sinking ship. The band continues to pay, while all the rich are in the life boats (moved away).

              Reminds me of a movie.
              another famous boat movie,"the caine mutiny"... remember, the ship was sinking in the typhoon and the capt was trying to find the bloke who ate his strawberries....
              "it looks like i picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue"! [McKroskey, airplane]

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                #8
                This kind of reminds me of the time I lived in Iowa and went to Joplin for a party.

                Happened to pass through KC MO and this was on the "ahem" other side of town. Yes, blacks were predominate.

                what struck me first, was the houses..Not great, but oddly enough, not trashy, however, there was ALOT of them with tarps (Thos big blue types) on their roofs. In some cases, weighted down too.

                Buildings..Hmmm..Three come to mind. all abandoned, one of them not much more then 2 sides and the third and forth walls had crumbled. There was a LARGE blackberry bush (Patch, thicket) in the center of this former building, I know blackberries and this bush was 8 years if not 10 years old.

                The other 2 were in semi need of repair, boarded up, but with some effort, could have been revitilized.

                As we drove through (I sort of kidded my roomie to "hit the gas, damn the red lights") I didn't feel any sort of depression, but then again, I was thinking "If these buildings were in the city where I came from, they'd have LONG ago been torn down (Especially the one which had crumbled) and the owners cited for a nusienece complaint.

                But we see little of that sort of enforcement in neighborhoods not so lily white...Could it be we've just forgotten to give a damn about our neighbors, or since we don't see it, it isin't there?

                (NOTE: I read a bit more of pinoys posting and this sprang out at me..And it's curious too)

                >>> "Detroit has got to figure out a way to make people feel it's safe — if people don't want to live there, it's tough to develop any kind of tax base," Douglas said. >>>>>"Whites have to move back in. You've got to have the integration factor. Everyone has to come together."<<<<<

                Curious...very curious and telling..I'm not saying only whites can produce, make money and thrive. All of us can, but why is it, the caucasin race is seen as sort of a devil when trouble befalls others and yet angelic, when they rescue those same folks?

                (Am I sounding racist? I hope not)
                Last edited by Genenco; 12-29-2008, 04:56 PM. Reason: interesting snippet

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Genenco View Post
                  But we see little of that sort of enforcement in neighborhoods not so lily white...Could it be we've just forgotten to give a damn about our neighbors, or since we don't see it, it isin't there?
                  I believe it's the latter.

                  I was trying to teach my friend's 17-year old son what socioeconomics were all about. He hates middle-class people and call them stuck up. However, he lives in an area where the median income is over $100K a year. He lives in a home situated amongst others, which represent a median income is over $150K a year. That's the upper middle class.

                  I told him that he was the spitting image of his distaste.

                  But then, he talks down about the folks who live a few miles away in the trailer parks.

                  Was tough to explain. He just didn't get it.

                  I actually greatly appreciate my travel to Europe and other parts of the world to see how good we have it here in the U.S. I also traveled, by car, through the poorest towns between New Orleans and Vicksburg Mississippi. I did drive through "that" town where we decided to not even stop. Especially after seeing the Sheriff's car, which appeared to be a 1965 with that giant "gumball" on the top and a long "whip" antenna on the back. This was in 1998.

                  I think we just forgot about the plight of our other countrymen, because we were too busy having fun during this extreme wealth building period. I long for a simple life myself. I envy the guy who does light farming, grows and raises his own food, is virtually self-sufficient, barters for a living, and owes no one anything! That man would be the richest man I know.
                  Chapter 7 (No Asset/Non-Consumer) Filed (Pro Se) 7/08 (converted from Chapter 13 - 2/10)
                  Status: (Auto) Discharged and Closed! 5/10
                  Visit My BKForum Blog: justbroke's Blog

                  Any advice provided is not legal advice, but simply the musings of a fellow bankrupt.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by justbroke View Post
                    I long for a simple life myself. I envy the guy who does light farming, grows and raises his own food, is virtually self-sufficient, barters for a living, and owes no one anything! That man would be the richest man I know.
                    Yep, envying the Amish is not a bad thing...

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                      #11
                      I think we just forgot about the plight of our other countrymen, because we were too busy having fun during this extreme wealth building period. I long for a simple life myself. I envy the guy who does light farming, grows and raises his own food, is virtually self-sufficient, barters for a living, and owes no one anything! That man would be the richest man I know.
                      If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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                        #12
                        Something's wrong when you can buy a house for less than a new car.
                        Chapter 7 filed 10/21/2008
                        341 - 11/26 went smooth NO ASSET
                        Took 115 days after 341 - But Finally DISCHARGED 3/25/09

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by relief13035 View Post
                          Something's wrong when you can buy a house for less than a new car.
                          Something's wrong when I can buy a house with a convenience check from my Signature Visa.. at 0% interest.
                          Chapter 7 (No Asset/Non-Consumer) Filed (Pro Se) 7/08 (converted from Chapter 13 - 2/10)
                          Status: (Auto) Discharged and Closed! 5/10
                          Visit My BKForum Blog: justbroke's Blog

                          Any advice provided is not legal advice, but simply the musings of a fellow bankrupt.

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                            #14
                            Very true justbroke......not that long ago I could have bought that house on my American Express and earned points.
                            Chapter 7 filed 10/21/2008
                            341 - 11/26 went smooth NO ASSET
                            Took 115 days after 341 - But Finally DISCHARGED 3/25/09

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by relief13035 View Post
                              very true justbroke......not that long ago i could have bought that house on my american express and earned points.
                              lol
                              Chapter 7 (No Asset/Non-Consumer) Filed (Pro Se) 7/08 (converted from Chapter 13 - 2/10)
                              Status: (Auto) Discharged and Closed! 5/10
                              Visit My BKForum Blog: justbroke's Blog

                              Any advice provided is not legal advice, but simply the musings of a fellow bankrupt.

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