Political Discussion

[helpmeout]

Sadly helmeout has just proved my point. A lot of folks are so used to the handouts since FDR's "new deal", LBJ's "Great Society" and the rest from then to now that people no longer even realize just how much liberty and freedom we surrendered for free stuff.

Helpmeout is pretty much correct. A lot of people so used to the govt solving their problems will be hurt since they know of no other way.

R.P. just wants to go back to the days of a Constitutional America starting with abolishing the bankster controlled Fed and phasing out costly entitlements and expensive wars.

The bright side to this would be a sound financial free market system that doesn't punish savers nor job creating small businesses vs. the current system that's killing us all slowly.

Sadly, you have proven my point. Libertarians simply don't care. Go back to a constitutional America? We never left.

[banca rotta]

BTW, the current administration IS following the constitution. The only President that was questionable was the last administration.

Did congress declare war in Lybia??? At least when Bush pushed Iraq congressional leaders such as Hillary and the rest told Bush "ok", "no problem".

[banca rotta]

Just curious how is following the constitution, freedom, and returning our liberties scary? Also, leaving it up to the states to decide on policies? In my opinion, 30 years of our current system and foreign policy is what's hurting people around the world not just in America.

Can you please give some examples of what you think are extreme?

Sadly helmeout has just proved my point. A lot of folks are so used to the handouts since FDR's "new deal", LBJ's "Great Society" and the rest from then to now that people no longer even realize just how much liberty and freedom we surrendered for free stuff.

Helpmeout is pretty much correct. A lot of people so used to the govt solving their problems will be hurt since they know of no other way.

R.P. just wants to go back to the days of a Constitutional America starting with abolishing the bankster controlled Fed and phasing out costly entitlements and expensive wars.

The bright side to this would be a sound financial free market system that doesn't punish savers nor job creating small businesses vs. the current system that's killing us all slowly.

[helpmeout]

Just curious how is following the constitution, freedom, and returning our liberties scary? Also, leaving it up to the states to decide on policies? In my opinion, 30 years of our current system and foreign policy is what's hurting people around the world not just in America.

Can you please give some examples of what you think are extreme?

I would, but to be honest, extremists like Ron Paul and those who support him would find fault with anything.

One of his arguments that I disagree with strongly is his position on child support. As a person whose parents divorced and whose father was a deadbeat, I recognise how much damage would happen to children if his view ever became law. Which it won't since he isn't going to be President.

And I am very strongly pro-choice. And he's not. He's for a constitutional government, but would violate it by making abortion illegal. Even though it is constitutional, and has been ruled so several times by the U.S. Supreme Court.

What sets us apart from a third world country is that we have programs that help the neediest. He would take that away. Low taxes does not translate to jobs. That has been proven over and over. I am not a liberal, I am more middle left. And would much rather be there than the extreme right, where Ron Paul (and most libertarians) are. I used to work in a welfare office, I have seen who would get hurt the most. And having worked there has shaped my views. Views that really haven't changed much since I became voting age.

BTW, the current administration IS following the constitution. The only President that was questionable was the last administration. And to be fair to Paul, he did vote against the Patriot Act. But that still doesn't change the fact that he simply is not good for America.

[sguerra923]

I have watched him and I have read his arguments when he has voted for or against a bill. No way will I ever vote for this guy. Too many people would be hurt. He is extreme. And if he were one of the two people on the ticket, he would not be the lesser of two evils.

He's one scary politician.

Just curious how is following the constitution, freedom, and returning our liberties scary? Also, leaving it up to the states to decide on policies? In my opinion, 30 years of our current system and foreign policy is what's hurting people around the world not just in America.

Can you please give some examples of what you think are extreme?

[helpmeout]

What Ron Paul is focused on is not putting the blame on previous administrations but how we can guide this country in the direction where we can have our liberties and freedom back... If you watch youtube videos on him it will show that his main goal is to wake people around the world to what is really causing our current situation.

Also, he has gained more military support/donations than all republican runners combined. Currently, Dr. Paul is beating out Obama in military donatations. That there should already tell people that our troops want to come home and who they're are backing..

Make your judgement on the his speeches and credibility because the main stream media will do otherwise... Let's not pick the lesser of two evils this time around..

I have watched him and I have read his arguments when he has voted for or against a bill. No way will I ever vote for this guy. Too many people would be hurt. He is extreme. And if he were one of the two people on the ticket, he would not be the lesser of two evils.

He's one scary politician.

[sguerra923]

Well said but there's no use. Too many people on the left and right are still stuck with the party loyalty and it's all they know.

Just because I happen to oppose Obama most think that I am a Bush or McCain or Palin fan which I am not.

I believe we need a new direction for the sake of putting folks back to work and balancing the budget. Since so many are so used to their entitlements (including the rich) real reforms will come only out of crisis.

I understand that people think Dr. Paul doesn't stand a chance because the mainstream media doesn't talk about him as much but he is actually leading in majority of the polls (well the ones that CNN etc. don't manipulate).

I would like to challenge people to add Ron Paul on your facebook page/watch youtube and read all the comments and watch his "likes" number. He averages about 1,000k + a day in "likes". I believe everyone will get a different view of Ron Paul compared to what you hear on TV.

[banca rotta]

What Ron Paul is focused on is not putting the blame on previous administrations but how we can guide this country in the direction where we can have our liberties and freedom back... If you watch youtube videos on him it will show that his main goal is to wake people around the world to what is really causing our current situation.

Also, he has gained more military support/donations than all republican runners combined. Currently, Dr. Paul is beating out Obama in military donatations. That there should already tell people that our troops want to come home and who they're are backing..

Make your judgement on the his speeches and credibility because the main stream media will do otherwise... Let's not pick the lesser of two evils this time around..

Well said but there's no use. Too many people on the left and right are still stuck with the party loyalty and it's all they know.

Just because I happen to oppose Obama most think that I am a Bush or McCain or Palin fan which I am not.

I believe we need a new direction for the sake of putting folks back to work and balancing the budget. Since so many are so used to their entitlements (including the rich) real reforms will come only out of crisis.

[sguerra923]

I actually heard an interview with him on the BBC - I don't think he actually put it on his website :-)

I would look at the areas where the libertarians and progressives agree...that alliance could truly move this country out of this morass.

BUT, for example, Paul's idea to return to the gold standard simply doesn't and cannot work - there isn't enough gold on the planet to cover all the outstanding $$

Actually, that statement isn't all true. If you watch some of his interviews and debates on youtube he explains it more in detail. Everyone is used to the status quo of how things are ran that's why it's so hard for people to think that we can't move into the right direction. Remember he's not here to change things overnight but to plant the seed for future generations.

[IamOld]

After I finish grading papers tonight (at like 2AM :-) I'll try to look for the interview on bbc.

YES I quite agree...the whole world needs to go through a BK of sort!!!!!! I think we need to reset everthing...no one owes anyone anything...

That's exactly why *global* economy as we know it has to file BK...

Good luck to us all.

[shark66]

I actually heard an interview with him on the BBC - I don't think he actually put it on his website :-)

I found pieces of that (?) interview, by no mention of anything to do with child labor...once again, feel free to post the link. I'll believe it when I see it.

I would look at the areas where the libertarians and progressives agree...that alliance could truly move this country out of this morass.

BUT, for example, Paul's idea to return to the gold standard simply doesn't and cannot work - there isn't enough gold on the planet to cover all the outstanding $$

That's exactly why *global* economy as we know it has to file BK...

Good luck to us all.

[IamOld]

I actually heard an interview with him on the BBC - I don't think he actually put it on his website :-)

I would look at the areas where the libertarians and progressives agree...that alliance could truly move this country out of this morass.

BUT, for example, Paul's idea to return to the gold standard simply doesn't and cannot work - there isn't enough gold on the planet to cover all the outstanding $$

Where did you get the "child labor" part from?

I'd like a *quote* with *the source* linked, please...

Good luck to us all.

[shark66]

Paul has some good ideas re civil liberties and the federal reserve - areas where progressives like Sen Bernie Sanders and he AGREE!!

BUt he also wants to end all gov't regulation, like...minimum wage, social security, child labor if you push it...so....on some areas he's right on, on some...

Where did you get the "child labor" part from?

I'd like a *quote* with *the source* linked, please...

Good luck to us all.

[IamOld]

Paul has some good ideas re civil liberties and the federal reserve - areas where progressives like Sen Bernie Sanders and he AGREE!!

BUt he also wants to end all gov't regulation, like...minimum wage, social security, child labor if you push it...so....on some areas he's right on, on some...

What Ron Paul is focused on is not putting the blame on previous administrations but how we can guide this country in the direction where we can have our liberties and freedom back... If you watch youtube videos on him it will show that his main goal is to wake people around the world to what is really causing our current situation.

Also, he has gained more military support/donations than all republican runners combined. Currently, Dr. Paul is beating out Obama in military donatations. That there should already tell people that our troops want to come home and who they're are backing..

Make your judgement on the his speeches and credibility because the main stream media will do otherwise... Let's not pick the lesser of two evils this time around..

[sguerra923]

Except that they will blame Bush. And rightfully so.

Oh, and this isn't the 2nd great depression. But I don't really expect you to get that.

What Ron Paul is focused on is not putting the blame on previous administrations but how we can guide this country in the direction where we can have our liberties and freedom back... If you watch youtube videos on him it will show that his main goal is to wake people around the world to what is really causing our current situation.

Also, he has gained more military support/donations than all republican runners combined. Currently, Dr. Paul is beating out Obama in military donatations. That there should already tell people that our troops want to come home and who they're are backing..

Make your judgement on the his speeches and credibility because the main stream media will do otherwise... Let's not pick the lesser of two evils this time around..