Political Discussion

[helpmeout]

I've always been wondering why people even think that the POTUS has control over that...

Because that's what the opposing party who is trying to beat an incumbent president wants people to think. Please note that I did not state a specific party as both participate in this.

[helpmeout]

The idea of tax cuts are this: We don't float the government on those still employed who are still paying taxes. We become successful by tax relief which inspires more spending in the econemy that will inspire more needs for goods then increase of the work forces ergo more taxes than raising tax on the steady shrinking tax base due to unemployment. 'Hub

Trickle down has been proven not to work. Voodooeconomics (otherwise known as Reaganomics) is not the way to go. I think, and hope because he is the far better choice, that President Obama is going to get re-elected.

BTW, my commute to work has been more interesting for quite a while now. Why? It's all those semis delivering goods to companies who ordered it. Towards the end of Bush's final years, there were hardly any semi's delivering goods.

[msm859]

I've always been wondering why people even think that the POTUS has control over that...

I agree with you @ 97%. The thing the POTUS could do is push hard for a bill that stops Wall Street speculation on oil for all but end users. That is artificially driving up prices. As to the rest you are correct, this is a global issue. The United Stated has already been producing more and using less, but with countries like China and India's use going up there is little the POTUS could do to effect world prices - although he also moved in the right direction requiring higher CAFE.

[IBroke]

Plus POTUS doesn't control gas prices.

I've always been wondering why people even think that the POTUS has control over that...

[msm859]

The idea of tax cuts are this: We don't float the government on those still employed who are still paying taxes. We become successful by tax relief which inspires more spending in the econemy that will inspire more needs for goods then increase of the work forces ergo more taxes than raising tax on the steady shrinking tax base due to unemployment. 'Hub

Except when revenue is too low then the government starts cutting back employment like they have the last 4 years, and/or the deficit increases which puts a damper on the economy. And tax relief for Romney and friends will have ZERO effect on spending. If Romney pays 14% or 18% (less than many in the middle class) he will not change his spending at all. In fact the argument can be made if there were higher marginal tax rates it would stimulate spending because if you are a small business - sole proprietor the higher the marginal tax rate the more incentive you will have to go out and make deductible purchases.

The Republican answer to everything is simply "cut taxes". It is the wrong answer. Bill Clinton and the Democrats proved it in 1993 and Bush proved it was the wrong answer with his 2 tax cuts. We need to let ALL of the Bush tax cuts expire for our long term fiscal health.

[AngelinaCatHub]

No, Romney would never be more liberal then Obama. Power plants though will be there and reliable regardless who wins. However, if Romney did win and was able to get what he wants - making Bush tax cuts permanent, 20% additional tax cuts across the board, eliminate inheritance tax it will be an unmitigated disaster for 98% of the country.

The idea of tax cuts are this: We don't float the government on those still employed who are still paying taxes. We become successful by tax relief which inspires more spending in the econemy that will inspire more needs for goods then increase of the work forces ergo more taxes than raising tax on the steady shrinking tax base due to unemployment. 'Hub

[msm859]

I wouldn't count on it.. Romney could end up being more liberal than POTUS. Plus POTUS doesn't control gas prices.

No, Romney would never be more liberal then Obama. Power plants though will be there and reliable regardless who wins. However, if Romney did win and was able to get what he wants - making Bush tax cuts permanent, 20% additional tax cuts across the board, eliminate inheritance tax it will be an unmitigated disaster for 98% of the country.

[jacko]

I wouldn't count on it.. Romney could end up being more liberal than POTUS. Plus POTUS doesn't control gas prices.

I'm pleasantly surprised. It's starting to look like Romney just might have a chance of winning the election. Before it looked hopeless, but now, I think he just might have a chance of winning this election.

Our power plants might be saved after all. Maybe we will continue to have reliable electricity. And maybe I will be able to continue to afford to drive back and forth to Oregon to see my family every summer.

[GoingDown]

I'm pleasantly surprised. It's starting to look like Romney just might have a chance of winning the election. Before it looked hopeless, but now, I think he just might have a chance of winning this election.

Our power plants might be saved after all. Maybe we will continue to have reliable electricity. And maybe I will be able to continue to afford to drive back and forth to Oregon to see my family every summer.

[jacko]

Was socialism not explained the first time around?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ib9N...yer_detailpage

[AngelinaCatHub]

Socialism Explained - Abbott & Costello Explain The Stimulus Plan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ib9N7L9y08&feature=player_detailpage

[bklawyerzxc]

lol

[Pjmax]

Sean Penn/Kid Rock "Americans"

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=oSQJ2...%3DoSQJ2ULuhb8

[jacko]

You'r welcome. Whenever there is a form of new technology and energy, prices start out high but gradually decreases. Nothing new. Dirty energy increases the cost of environmental clean up, rise in health care costs and loss productivity due to pollution/air quality.

Okay, no one was interested in that so back to the costs of going green.

Thank you, environmentalists, for making my electricity more expensive, now I have less money in my pocket to spend on everything else, and this effects most of the local businesses and government buildings around here, so they will just pass along the rising costs for electricity to me.

Thank you so much!

It really helps me to pay more for something as basic as electricity.

"PHOENIX (CBS5) -

Almost a million Valley residents who have their power or water service through SRP will see their utility bill go up beginning in November.

The SRP board of directors approved a 3.9 percent rate hike.

The increase is expected to generate an additional $100 million in revenue for the nonprofit public utility.

Company officials say the increase will help to fund reliable service, renewable resources and environmental upgrades.

The increase is effective beginning on the November billing cycle."

From S.R.P.:

"SRP needs to increase prices for these reasons:

Pay for new renewable energy sources. An increasing amount of the energy SRP delivers today is produced by solar, wind and geothermal sources. These sources are important to achieving sustainability goals but are more expensive than fossil fuel plants.

Complete required environmental upgrades. Mandatory improvements to Coronado Generating Station in St. Johns will enable us to further decrease emissions and continue to operate a lower-cost unit that supplies power to the Valley.

SRP has a mix of renewables such as wind, solar, geothermal and biomass energy, hydropower, conservation and energy-efficiency measures. We expect to spend $140.6 million this year and $184 million next year for sustainable sources and programs."

[GoingDown]

Okay, no one was interested in that so back to the costs of going green.

Thank you, environmentalists, for making my electricity more expensive, now I have less money in my pocket to spend on everything else, and this effects most of the local businesses and government buildings around here, so they will just pass along the rising costs for electricity to me.

Thank you so much!

It really helps me to pay more for something as basic as electricity.

"PHOENIX (CBS5) -

Almost a million Valley residents who have their power or water service through SRP will see their utility bill go up beginning in November.

The SRP board of directors approved a 3.9 percent rate hike.

The increase is expected to generate an additional $100 million in revenue for the nonprofit public utility.

Company officials say the increase will help to fund reliable service, renewable resources and environmental upgrades.

The increase is effective beginning on the November billing cycle."

From S.R.P.:

"SRP needs to increase prices for these reasons:

Pay for new renewable energy sources. An increasing amount of the energy SRP delivers today is produced by solar, wind and geothermal sources. These sources are important to achieving sustainability goals but are more expensive than fossil fuel plants.

Complete required environmental upgrades. Mandatory improvements to Coronado Generating Station in St. Johns will enable us to further decrease emissions and continue to operate a lower-cost unit that supplies power to the Valley.

SRP has a mix of renewables such as wind, solar, geothermal and biomass energy, hydropower, conservation and energy-efficiency measures. We expect to spend $140.6 million this year and $184 million next year for sustainable sources and programs."