Religion Discussion

[blankslate]

First, I apologize for use of the word "profit" instead of "prophet." I was reading a forum about financial problems called the Bankruptcy forum and wasn't expecting to see an incorrect "fact" about the Jewish religion.

Bandit, you're not worth my time. You obviously have no concept of the Jewish religion. I wish you peace because you certainly seem full of misery and angst.

[momisery]

Wow a thread to express you faith? ha ha.. Okay, I am a big nothing and follow my own guidelines. Pretty typical I guess since most seem to translate into making faith all about them.. ha ha. My faith is a bit different, we do not have a Satan per se... we do believe the trickster fools people into be bad though. We do not believe it is all up to God to save mankind. If God created mankind in his image he did it for a purpose. That purpose could be that we could take care of each other and of our planet? But my faith has more than one God I have to admit. And I do try to live by understanding others and living my life the way I believe is right. If I can help someone I will, but I can not convert them or make them think like me. All I can do is share me with them, and they have to follow their own path. Sorry the other thread got hijacked .. I was on that one and I was not sure what happened.

[Bandit]

Wrong forum for this. Actually I don't think there is any correct forum for that completely wrong comment. It is not a fact.

Jesus is considered a profit by the Jewish religion and always was. We just don't believe him to be "divine." He is honored and celebrated by the Jewish religion - just not worshipped. Only God is worshipped.

Get your "facts" straight.

My comments are not wrong.

So you are claiming to be jewish then?

I know more jews than not that have NOTHING to do with jesus in any way shape or form. According to your claims, which days do jews honor and celebrate Jesus as a valid prophet???

The last time I checked he is a FALSE prophet and did not fulfill the requirements for being either a prophet or a messiah according to all of the many jews that I know.
Where exactly does this prophet fit into the Jewish religion? What prophecy did this jesus fulfill to the jews and their beliefs?
So, according to your claim that jews see jesus as a prophet kind of like moses was a prophet, which days do jews celebrate Jesus in the jewish religion as such? would that be the day that the jews & romans wanted him dead?

Maybe you should get your facts straight.

[newbeginning]

Just as the Republican party was in the past, is at present and will forever be in the future the party of the rich and powerful, religion has more to do with power and money than it does with a Deity. - jb

A friend once said to me that the problem with the religious is not in what they believe, rather, that, in all careful observation, it's what they don't believe.

The religious RIGHT and LEFT and CENTER are all political designations, imho. Speaking via my own Christian belief system and experience, once you designate your belief with one of those "worldly" designations, you have already compromised your spiritual and scriptural obligations.

It is far too often about power, fear of losing status/position, the unknown, the unfamiliar, personal discomfort, etc.

For decades, the religious center and left have allowed the right to hijack Christ's teachings and distort it to their own social and political agenda. One can easily see the godlessness of the right by following their politics over the years... the seedy alignment of the religious right with the GOP and its politics is just another clear indication of just how far off the religious right's true designs were/are.

1. Champions of CAPITALISM/FREE MARKET/Unbridled Nationalism- has nothing to do with Jesus. Long ignored and ignore the burden/exploitation that capitalism and our policies places on the poor, other nations...BTW, I believe that the capitalist system and the USA the best that this world can offer, but improvement needed.

2. Pro-Life: More accurately, pro-unborn. The right are far less concerned about the plight of millions of children (especially inner-city and 3rd world) who are living; promote capital punishment (New Testament: though it can be argued that Jesus would not favor the death penalty)

3. Anti-gay: not a proponent of gay marriage rights myself, but i have long come to terms with the necessity to protect the civil-rights of all human beings. So, discrimination of gays would clearly go against the very ideas of our constitution and frankly, and arguably against moral expectations.

4. "CHRISTIAN" fore-fathers??? More like christian-like. Many of them were deists with deist ideas. And as importantly, the founding fathers clearly observed and correctly designed the Constitution so that no religion becomes a standard bearer to the rule of law. Not because religion is not important, rather, the people/politicians that use it are corruptible.

The liberal left, well, that's a whole other issue in itself.

[jeb]

Just as the Republican party was in the past, is at present and will forever be in the future the party of the rich and powerful, religion has more to do with power and money than it does with a Deity. - jb

[Jenie0109]

Just out of curiosity, why isn't St. Peter's square shaped like a square?

[Genenco]

Well, personally speaking from a view of now (With some good bible teachers) it's more likely that all the "Crimes" associated with "Religion" that it's mainly due to those who lead such abuses in the way they interperted the scriptures.

When it comes to the brass tacks, we can look back and see "why" they did what they did, but we can also see that they weren't "Following" the teachings laid out.

In regards to hypocrisy of religion, yes there's always going to be those who say one thing and do another. Looking only at "Notable" events, you'd see alot of destruction done in the name of "Religion" but they overshadow the good works done by the "Silent Majority" of believers who have gone that extra mile to help another.

[On The Brink]

Ive thought about religion alot over the years and was very anti for a while.
My views have changed very much since those days as I believe that a higher power has blessed me with my wife and children. I am not a Holy roller or anything like that but have faith now.
As a child I was brought up babtist.
I always wondered how you could be sure your religion was the correct one with so may different variations of them and they all say they are the only one that counts. Mostly people are what there parents were religion wise and are brought up that way but I always found it hard to beleive you would be punished if you just happened to be wrong but your heart is in the right place.
My thoughts on it is religions for the most part are like spokes in a big wheel and all the spokes connect in the center and as long as you are trying to get to the right place you cant go wrong with that.
I may "burn in hell" for thinking that way but its a chance i'm willing to take!

[Mark80]

No religion on earth is full of more hypocrites then Christianity.

If anyone wants a good place to hang out and read up on all the worlds religions this site is great.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/

[Bandit]

That's because today and the past few hundred years at least, compared to the other radical religions around the world, Christians are "squeaky clean." I am not saying it is a perfect religion by any means, but consider the alternatives. It has spread much more good will than hatred in this world.

I disagree. iT has caused way more harm than it has helped, in fact people inside their very own churches are so political & backstabbing that they end up splitting into smaller groups monthly. You know what they say about removing the church boards- you will find worms and maggots under neath them.

past few hundred years? I guess you missed the entire catholics kill protestant and exchange that squeaky clean for protestants killing catholics along with the squeaky clean crusades...and what was up with the christians 100 years ago not allowing people with black skin to be Christian? if they are so squeaky clean!..for the past few hundred years.
You don't know your history very well to claim the past FEW HUNDRED YEARS (at least) as squeaky clean. I will give you the radical claim as I see no difference between the christian radicals, muslim radicals & jewish radicals of today. They LOVE to kill & bring harm to others- so in that sense they are squeaky clean.

[magnix]

A few of the eastern new age religions don't have much negativity attached to them . BTW I'm an athiest though .

[layla17]

Christians in genreral dont like to go back in their history and see how they killed in the name of Jesus. They like to think they are sqeaky clean

That's because today and the past few hundred years at least, compared to the other radical religions around the world, Christians are "squeaky clean." I am not saying it is a perfect religion by any means, but consider the alternatives. It has spread much more good will than hatred in this world.

[Mark80]

Seems as this topic has died! I just wanted to comment on how refreshing it is to see so many open minded people posting here. I didn't grow up involved with religion, and today I happily proclaim myself as an Agnostic. The only annoying aspect is my parents a few years ago become highly religious and try to convert me any chance they can get. They didn't spend one second of their lives thinking about christianity until my dad decided to cheat on my mom and have a child with his secret girlfriend. After years of denial the truth finally came out, my mom refused to divorce him and decided "God" would work out all their problems. Now they are sunday school teachers, host weekly bible readings, and donate tons of time and money to their church. All the while my dad going along with it to get off free from his mistakes. (he still talks to his girlfriend unknowingly to my mother) And my mom just grins and praises the lord for saving them.

Anyways, its very sad to see so many people jumping onboard during times of crisis as a way to cover up their real problems in life. (see deathrow inmates) Which makes me even more proud to not have bought into any religious marketing!

[DebtSlave]

Scott You may find the books by Karen Armstrong interesting reading.

[Bandit]

I look at religion and all violence that comes along with it.. How many people have died in the name of God? Christians during the time of the crusades killed thousands of Jews and Moslems to retake the Holy Land.. The Spanish killed thousands while colonizing the New World and spreading the word of god.. Islam tried twice but failed to conquer Europe to spread the word of Mohammed.. The religion that we have today was spread by the Sword (conquest)..

Thank You, Scott50..for some reason too many of them cannot face up & seem to think people actually chose it while history (including the last 100 years) proves it was a slaughter house, hardly what the jesus & 12 apostles were like in the story. but then again I would have to include those of the communistic beliefs as being just as mean & brutal with a political agenda, leaving little to be desired after the blood is spilled.

Christians in genreral dont like to go back in their history and see how they killed in the name of Jesus. They like to think they are sqeaky clean

and then all will see that it has caused tons more harm & destruction to the earth than the tiny ounce of charity that came from it.