Jobless and hopeless in America

[lovemybugs10]

I love both. love it. eating it too. Dang thing about that is I don't love to exercise.

[tobee43]

hey! I stay home and bake our own bread! lol

LOL!!!!!!! i can cook..but baking is NOT me...i always mess up the yeast thingy....actually i love to cook...not eat so much but cooking i love!

[lovemybugs10]

hey! I stay home and bake our own bread! lol

[tobee43]

I agree with tobee. I think there are some basic elements we as a society should provide for those who are the poorest and struggling, and that is basic food, basic healthcare, and basic shelter. Nothing fancy, just the basics to survive on this Earth.

For those who are unemployed and looking, they need the basic UI extensions to meet the minimum poverty levels until they can find work. Since we all agree there is a 17.5% plus unemployment rate and plain and simple not nearly enough jobs to supply to those who are looking, until this gets better, the government must supply this minimum standard.

Eventually things will get better and the unemployed can happily and proudly contribute to the economy as they have done for many years in their lives.

I have only had health insurance for probably 3 months out of the last 10 years. So I expect I will probably die 5-10 years earlier than I would have, had I been able to get health insurance. This is a sad fact, but I can't control what I can't control. I am not even *****ing right now about lack of health insurance, I simply want to get back to work and make a decent living again, just to pay for that roof, food, and basic expenses. Nothing fancy, just surviving. Then I would like to put a little away for the next time I may be unemployed again. Perhaps one day I can actually have health insurance and even put money away into a 401k like normal people.

helpme...i have hope and faith for you...i know you will make it....i'm not sure yet how..but you will!!

[tobee43]

While some of you may consider me a dinosaur i only ask, what did people do 100 years ago??? They didn't have any of this.

I consider the "govt freebees" a destroyer of our free market system, hence look at all of the unemployment today. Look at all of the bankrupt governments.

It's true that some will be saved by all of the programs, but what did we really gain when the whole thing comes crashing down?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP3b0...eature=related

100 years ago it didn't cost 4.79 for a loaf of rye bread.....although most of the women cooked and stayed home and baked....LOL!!

i remember my dad made $75 a week and we were upper middle class...i guess the reason is the cost of goods has gotten so out of hand due to the greed of the owner of all the major corp....

i for one would have no problem having lived 100 years ago..and i agree, the destruction of our free market system ...not just by our government alone, but by the greed that drives this country and actually the world.


i for one have always thought...and prehaps it's just for me a basic philosophy ......but the TRUE state of any country is the way they treat their poor and elderly....and so much for us.

i was talking to my daughter today...and she's a young professional...saying all this spending must stop! when i told her the state we are collecting our pensions from is now talking about eliminating our cost of living increases...which we haven 't gotten one in 3 years....she responded......DEAL with IT!!

i told her..i was going to...i will be promptly moving in with her! LOL gas was 79 cents a gallon when we starting rec'ing our pension....and what are we suppose to do when a gallon goes up to $6 a gallon....her reply....get a job! ....i tried to explain my masters didn't help getting me a job at walmart and if she can direct me to a job i'm able to do..i'm ready....

get the spare room ready....or start sending me my "elder" allowance....shoot Lord knows we did during her childhood and college days......ahhhhhhhhh what mess

she also expressed that they don't expect anything from anyone...entilements....ROFL!!!!! that's because we already gave them to her!

[banca rotta]

While some of you may consider me a dinosaur i only ask, what did people do 100 years ago??? They didn't have any of this.

I consider the "govt freebees" a destroyer of our free market system, hence look at all of the unemployment today. Look at all of the bankrupt governments.

It's true that some will be saved by all of the programs, but what did we really gain when the whole thing comes crashing down?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP3b0_fnPxQ&feature=related

[helpme2010]

however, how do we insure the poor and the unemployed????

where is that money going to come from??

and now, with all those 99ers' running out of money and any benefits...next step is welfare and medicaid!! what then???

I agree with tobee. I think there are some basic elements we as a society should provide for those who are the poorest and struggling, and that is basic food, basic healthcare, and basic shelter. Nothing fancy, just the basics to survive on this Earth.

For those who are unemployed and looking, they need the basic UI extensions to meet the minimum poverty levels until they can find work. Since we all agree there is a 17.5% plus unemployment rate and plain and simple not nearly enough jobs to supply to those who are looking, until this gets better, the government must supply this minimum standard.

Eventually things will get better and the unemployed can happily and proudly contribute to the economy as they have done for many years in their lives.

I have only had health insurance for probably 3 months out of the last 10 years. So I expect I will probably die 5-10 years earlier than I would have, had I been able to get health insurance. This is a sad fact, but I can't control what I can't control. I am not even *****ing right now about lack of health insurance, I simply want to get back to work and make a decent living again, just to pay for that roof, food, and basic expenses. Nothing fancy, just surviving. Then I would like to put a little away for the next time I may be unemployed again. Perhaps one day I can actually have health insurance and even put money away into a 401k like normal people.

[tobee43]

however, how do we insure the poor and the unemployed????

where is that money going to come from??

and now, with all those 99ers' running out of money and any benefits...next step is welfare and medicaid!! what then???

[shark66]

but I feel those that engage in their own unhealthy habits should pay. We already do this with auto insurance. Why stop there???

Excellent train of thoughts...

Allowing insurance companies to compete with healthcare offerings across the state lines in the same manner that auto and homeowner insurance is sold would also bring the overall cost of healthcare down...

Good luck.

[banca rotta]

In the meantime, they clog up the ER's with the cost borne by the tax payers and higher insurance costs. At least with the obesity tax, will help defray the costs and the beginning of modifying ones eating behavior the same way the tobacco tax reduced the consumption over time.

I am with you trust me! I just feel they should be taxed directly in the form of higher insurance premiums with private insurance or "slam the door" on them with public funds!

I don't agree with tobacco, beer, micky dees or twinky taxes.

Some feel the taxpayer should continue to pay, others feel the "rich" should pay, but I feel those that engage in their own unhealthy habits should pay. We already do this with auto insurance. Why stop there???

[jacko]

In the meantime, they clog up the ER's with the cost borne by the tax payers and higher insurance costs. At least with the obesity tax, will help defray the costs and the beginning of modifying ones eating behavior the same way the tobacco tax reduced the consumption over time.

This is why since there's no easy answer to this problem I think it's better to shut the door on the whole free health care thing and stop with all of these taxes. Health insurance should also be priced on risk like car or home owners insurance.

If the obese junk food addicts don't get healthy then they won't be around and that will solve the problem all by itself.

What is so wrong with this?

It worked very well for many centuries before social medicine was even a thought.

One thing I tend to notice on why the middle class is dying is too many people (dem or repub, doesn't matter) create too many programs and have too many ideas that distort how the system really is.

For example as I mentioned earlier it used to be if one was fat, lazy and ate too much they would get sick or worse and wouldn't be a problem for very long.

Now that there is a program to "solve" every problem known to man we prop up pretty much everything there is. It could be a zombie bank or failed car company or a smoker or a McDonalds french fry addict.

The only fix it seems will be once the US Treasury finally runs dry then you will see those being propped up disappear either by becoming healthy or worse.

The world doesn't have an infinite amount of money and resources to just "help" everyone that needs help.

[jacko]

My state does not charge sales tax on groceries and clothing. We do tax the crap out of cigarettes at Over $4 a pack to help fund the states Medicaid and other health care initiatives.

I understand where you're coming from, but that's where we'll have to agree to disagree and move on...taxing an item into oblivion has never stopped anyone from obtaining it...the cost of healthcare can be driven down by other means, and the cost of government by eliminating the most of it, since it's darn useless anyway...

In my book, the government's best that governs least...

Not quite sure what you mean by "some states"...both the state in which I live in and the one that I work in have done that for the past 15 years that I've been in this country...can't recall whether that was the case in other ones that I just visited, but I'd presume that charging tax is more of a norm than an exception...might be wrong on this one.

My $0.02 only...

Good luck.

[tobee43]

This is why since there's no easy answer to this problem I think it's better to shut the door on the whole free health care thing and stop with all of these taxes. Health insurance should also be priced on risk like car or home owners insurance.

If the obese junk food addicts don't get healthy then they won't be around and that will solve the problem all by itself.

What is so wrong with this?

It worked very well for many centuries before social medicine was even a thought.

One thing I tend to notice on why the middle class is dying is too many people (dem or repub, doesn't matter) create too many programs and have too many ideas that distort how the system really is.

For example as I mentioned earlier it used to be if one was fat, lazy and ate too much they would get sick or worse and wouldn't be a problem for very long.

Now that there is a program to "solve" every problem known to man we prop up pretty much everything there is. It could be a zombie bank or failed car company or a smoker or a McDonalds french fry addict.

The only fix it seems will be once the US Treasury finally runs dry then you will see those being propped up disappear either by becoming healthy or worse.

The world doesn't have an infinite amount of money and resources to just "help" everyone that needs help.

and the sooner that statement is "realized" maybe...just maybe we will begin forward moment!

[banca rotta]

When obesity addicted junk food and drinks drive up the cost of gov't and healthcare, Bloomberg has every right to do so. Did you know that some states such as Mississippi charges the state sales tax on groceries which is around 6%.

This is why since there's no easy answer to this problem I think it's better to shut the door on the whole free health care thing and stop with all of these taxes. Health insurance should also be priced on risk like car or home owners insurance.

If the obese junk food addicts don't get healthy then they won't be around and that will solve the problem all by itself.

What is so wrong with this?

It worked very well for many centuries before social medicine was even a thought.

One thing I tend to notice on why the middle class is dying is too many people (dem or repub, doesn't matter) create too many programs and have too many ideas that distort how the system really is.

For example as I mentioned earlier it used to be if one was fat, lazy and ate too much they would get sick or worse and wouldn't be a problem for very long.

Now that there is a program to "solve" every problem known to man we prop up pretty much everything there is. It could be a zombie bank or failed car company or a smoker or a McDonalds french fry addict.

The only fix it seems will be once the US Treasury finally runs dry then you will see those being propped up disappear either by becoming healthy or worse.

The world doesn't have an infinite amount of money and resources to just "help" everyone that needs help.

[tobee43]

I understand where you're coming from, but that's where we'll have to agree to disagree and move on...taxing an item into oblivion has never stopped anyone from obtaining it...the cost of healthcare can be driven down by other means, and the cost of government by eliminating the most of it, since it's darn useless anyway...

In my book, the government's best that governs least...

Not quite sure what you mean by "some states"...both the state in which I live in and the one that I work in have done that for the past 15 years that I've been in this country...can't recall whether that was the case in other ones that I just visited, but I'd presume that charging tax is more of a norm than an exception...might be wrong on this one.

My $0.02 only...

Good luck.

that's a good point...even with the economy the way it is...people buy booze and cigarettes...i think what got me the most when i went to my bk 341 was the woman with their nails done.......now...i even cut my OWN hair...always have...but these people can't afford their bills but they have high lights and nails..nothing stops them from spending...

in as much as the tax situation, i for one thing government should be as limited and small as possible...however, in light of history, it's going to difficult to re-structure the entire system...although it needs to be totally revamped..no simple answers for this one...taxes..no more taxes...

i love this tho....ok...the oil and gas companies as well as the insurance companies under the "new" budget will have to pay increased taxes to the government...what an oxy moron is that...of course WHO do you think they are going to pass their tax burden to...........US........what a ridicules, insulting way of handling increased taxes for "big" business.