Do you think that the general public considers us as "shysters"?

[msm859]

"Barry" is just clueless when it comes to "reality".

As a community organizer, he lived in a fantasy land, where people get their money for nothing and their chicks for free. As my good friend and former mailman once told me, the worst day of the month was when the welfare checks where issued in the neighborhood, because if that check was not there, there was hell to pay!

What a way to live, depending on the government for your well being!

Guess moving to New Zealand or Chile isn't a bad idea if you are young and single, especially if "Barry" fools everyone again with his "change".

And what exactly would McCain have done differently to put us in a better place today?

[espo1357]

Government was *never* out of the way over the past fifty years at least...

As for France and Germany...a deeper look into France will reveal that they're not doing that well at all.

What works for Germans is their understanding that work ethic *is* important. However, I would not like to be a small business owner in Germany. Too many horror stories of what the omni-powerful taxman can do to you if you fail to obey their wicked logic...told first hand from the people I've known for two decades plus, hardworking and honest folks...

All of them are facing a *much* bigger problem: negative birth rate that might end up turning them into Islamic societies fifty years from now...or even sooner...

Good luck to us all.

Advanced post here. I hope others will appreciate it as I have.

Keep it up!

[shark66]

Espo, under GWB gov't was out of the way, jobs didn't come back...the banksters got what they wanted, tax cuts for the rich, spending cuts for the rest of now, and stock market crashes, debt downgraded....and I again have to say, social-democracies like France and Germany etc doing just fine...

Government was *never* out of the way over the past fifty years at least...

As for France and Germany...a deeper look into France will reveal that they're not doing that well at all.

What works for Germans is their understanding that work ethic *is* important. However, I would not like to be a small business owner in Germany. Too many horror stories of what the omni-powerful taxman can do to you if you fail to obey their wicked logic...told first hand from the people I've known for two decades plus, hardworking and honest folks...

All of them are facing a *much* bigger problem: negative birth rate that might end up turning them into Islamic societies fifty years from now...or even sooner...

Good luck to us all.

[espo1357]

Espo, under GWB gov't was out of the way, jobs didn't come back...the banksters got what they wanted, tax cuts for the rich, spending cuts for the rest of now, and stock market crashes, debt downgraded....and I again have to say, social-democracies like France and Germany etc doing just fine...

What makes you think I voted for Bush? I didn't in 2004.

Bush, Obama, Clinton, on and on, they all sold us out.

[IamOld]

Espo, under GWB gov't was out of the way, jobs didn't come back...the banksters got what they wanted, tax cuts for the rich, spending cuts for the rest of now, and stock market crashes, debt downgraded....and I again have to say, social-democracies like France and Germany etc doing just fine...

[espo1357]

A stimulus is basically a government jobs program (although sometimes stupid things like the cash for clunkers are in there.) I feel that going forward, the only ways to bring back jobs is through such a jobs program or tariff protectionism (including subsidies to hire Americans.)

If the government got out of the way, jobs would come back.

For example, government regulations are just ways for corporations with power and control and money to limit their competition.

A gov't stimulus would do nothing in the long run.

If you give people incentives to start up a business or an opportunity to compete with those bigger corporations (by not taxing the crap out of them or making it so difficult to get their business going with endless regulations), then jobs would come back.

You are funny, but I still like you. You also need to look at other news sources, besides the NY Times or NBC.

Have a nice weekend.

[JackBondLove]

Just how does a stimulus put people back to work?

Explain that to me.

A stimulus is basically a government jobs program (although sometimes stupid things like the cash for clunkers are in there.) I feel that going forward, the only ways to bring back jobs is through such a jobs program or tariff protectionism (including subsidies to hire Americans.)

[PushRestart]

Wow, always fun when we all start speaking our minds about our deep personal political beliefs (on a bk forum

As a proud citizen I am always excited to share my opinions on most any topic, mostly because I know you all really want to hear my brilliant thoughts... So since I have a moment, how about this...

1. I was taught (and I believe) that other folk's opinions of me are none of my business; my task is to keep my side of the street clean and to be of service to others. Makes me sound pretty cool, huh?

2. Since I filed and have shared this fact with folks, I have found some who plainly treat me like a piece of crap. This saddens me, but refer back to number 1.

3. I only talk politics when I forget that it makes me and others crazy. Repub, Demo, Indy, Commie, it all kinda blurs after a bit, especially as I get older. I have moved to a less stressful platform, where I focus on the basic goodness of both people in general and The Finest Country In The World, The USA. My simple platform for our country is the same as for myself; I (and the country) need to buy no more crap on credit, I need to reduce or eliminate my debt load (defecit), I need to help the most helpless in any way I can.

4. I need to spend some time daily giving of myself to others and getting away from "self." Some of my best medicine comes fromdoing volunteer work at a local prison. Nothing quite beats hearing from folks who live like dogs in a 6 foot by 9 foot cell to make me appreciate all I have, screwed up govt, economy, and all. Even the right to ***** and talk smack about our country gets you killed/dissappeared in many other coutries. Not here though,bash Bush, bash Obama, it is all good here.

Ah yes , it felt good to talk about this stuff, especially the things that help me to maintain an attitude of gratitude and to remind myself not to take everything so seriously. Anyone agree? Anyone grateful, even in the middle of a bk? Anyone else believe we are mostly good people, even if we disagree? Oh well, what the hell do I know anyway, I'm going bankrupt so you have to figure I have "issues"... Sometimes I need tissues for my issues, can I get an amen?! Peace out y'all...

[PushRestart]

Wow, always fun when we all start speaking our minds about our deep personal political beliefs (on a bk forum

As a proud citizen I am always excited to share my opinions on most any topic, mostly because I know you all really want to hear my brilliant thoughts... So since I have a moment, how about this...

1. I was taught (and I believe) that other folk's opinions are none of my business; my task is to keep my side of the street clean and to be of service to others. Makes me sound pretty cool, huh?

2. Since I filed and have shared this fact with folks, I have found some who plainly treat me like a piece of crap. This saddens me, but refer back to number 1.

3. I only talk politics when I forget that it makes me and others crazy. Repub, Demo, Indy, Commie, it all kinda blurs after a bit, especially as I get older. I have moved to a less stressful platform, where I focus on the basic goodness of both people in general and The Finest Country In The World, The USA. My simple platform for our country is the same as for myself; I (and the country) need to buy no more crap on credit, I need to reduce or eliminate my debt load (defecit), I need to help the most helpless in any way I can.

4. I need to spend some time daily giving of myself to others and getting away from "self." Some of my best medicine comes fromdoing volunteer work at a local prison. Nothing quite beats hearing from folks who live like dogs in a 6 foot by 9 foot cell to make me appreciate all I have, screwed up govt, economy, and all. Even the right to ***** and talk smack about our country gets you killed/dissappeared in many other coutries. Not here though,bash Bush, bash Obama, it is all good here.

Ah yes , it felt good to talk about this stuff, especially the things that help me to maintain an attitude of gratitude and to remind myself not to take everything so seriously. Anyone agree? Anyone grateful, even in the middle of a bk? Anyone else believe we are mostly good people, even if we disagree? Oh well, what the hell do I know anyway, I'm going bankrupt so you have to figure I have "issues"... Sometimes I need tissues for my issues, can I get an amen?! Peace out y'all...

[shark66]

I agree 100%, which is why getting corporations out of the underwriting of health care (i.e., universal public health care) is such a great policy.

Obamacare is *not* universal healthcare. In universal healthcare systems there is *no* requirement for a person to be insured under threat of a fine...

Obamacare has given an excellent incentive (or an excuse) to variety of corporate giants to stop paying for their employees' healthcare and eat the fines instead since it would cost them less to do so...

Finally, being someone who lived in societies that offer universal healthcare I'd take the corrupt-and-broken U.S. healthcare system over British NHS any day of the week.

My $0.02 only...

Good luck to us all.

[espo1357]

sorry if I was rude JBL. I am just trying to get you to see what is really out there in this crazy world. if you dig deeper, you will find that the game is rigged, so it really doesn't matter much what you and I think. We just have to take care of ourselves, our family and the poor. everyone else can pretty much take a hike in my world.

[ValleYum]

Oh no not you or Merime herself. I was referring to the Older Lady she posted about "beating the system and living a fairy tale life" by not filling BK and having 50K stashed away while she is collecting food stamps and goverment assistant.

I agree with you 100% about the older lady, Freddy. ugh.

And I was agreeing with you on my last post, too - but worded it very poorly. LOL

[espo1357]

Obama tried to get a massive stimulus going to keep people working, but was blocked by the Republicans. He would like to raise taxes on the wealthy to fund stimulus as well, but the born-again Republican deficit hawks (where were they when their boy W turned my boy Clinton's surplus into a deficit?) wouldn't let him, and the Republicans did a complete pivot on being the party against Medicare to being the defenders of Medicare - i.e., trying to divide and conquer the old folks from their uninsured children, since Obama's health care proposal was "putting his damn government hands on their Medicare!"

Is Obama a fighter like FDR? Absolutely not. I wish he were.

Just how does a stimulus put people back to work?

Explain that to me.

[JackBondLove]

In short, I would have done everything I could to plan the bankruptcy to maximize my position and minimize the creditor's position, within the confines of the law. That wouldn't have made me a bad person, just a smarter one!!!

I basically did this, and I feel absolutely no compunction. And I was fortunate in buying a bunch of stuff a year before the BK (back when I really didn't think I would be doing BK) that was either exempt or only resulted in a very small net value for me to buy back post-BK. I did buy and furnish my extraordinarily modest house with my remaining cash on the eve of BK, so I guess that could be considered as a moral failing, but who cares? It was legal.

[espo1357]

Obama tried to get a massive stimulus going to keep people working, but was blocked by the Republicans. He would like to raise taxes on the wealthy to fund stimulus as well, but the born-again Republican deficit hawks (where were they when their boy W turned my boy Clinton's surplus into a deficit?) wouldn't let him, and the Republicans did a complete pivot on being the party against Medicare to being the defenders of Medicare - i.e., trying to divide and conquer the old folks from their uninsured children, since Obama's health care proposal was "putting his damn government hands on their Medicare!"

Is Obama a fighter like FDR? Absolutely not. I wish he were.

Obama is a puppet, just like every President after Kennedy. Once Kennedy was taken care of, future Presidents got the game right, if they wanted to live. OK, the history lesson is over. I mean, do you really think Obama makes decisions?

Oh well, stay tuned into NBC or Fox News or wherever you get your information.

As for doctors, my guess is that over 80 percent go into medicine for the cash. Also, doctors that are spending all that money to go to school in today's medical environment are not very smart, because the government is getting more and more involved in their business, and whatever the government touches turns to crap.